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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Paul.Vientiane, Oct 30, 2012.

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  1. Paul.Vientiane

    Paul.Vientiane Member

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    Why is it some people always try to "fix"things that aint broken???????? I am having enough problems as it is with everything I have the misfortune to have to buy in Laos and the "customer service" or rather the total void created by the total lack of any. I came home from work today to be greeted by puddles of water in the kitchen and on opening the fridge door I find the food we bought to last the next two weeks beginning the fermentation process because we have had yet another, yes - ANOTHER power cut, When I left the UK I could have sworn it was 2010 but Vientiane seems to be more reminiscent of 1810. Now this site has developed one of those "devil makes work for idle hands" faults. If anyone has any idea whats gone wrong with this one please feel free to let me know.
     
  2. Petrus47

    Petrus47 Moderator Staff Member

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    You're in the wrong team Paul!
    Why don't you change for "Don't worry, be happy"?
     
  3. Olivier

    Olivier Admin Staff Member

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    Ok, you have noticed the change Paul.

    Well, the old forum was actually broken as people from China and Pakistan that wanted to sell you Viagra and Vuitton bags were polluting the old site. I had to remove them one-by-one and it was time and energy consuming. Another thing is that the old system was deprecated and not maintained anymore by developers. Sooner or later, security breaches would have inevitably appear. I liked the cleanness of the old forum which offered an overall good user experience but adding pictures/files was painful and some users experienced different problems.

    I understand that this new website can be disorientating but your efforts will be rewarded! Have you checked this http://www.findinlao.com/f/help/ ? and how you can personalize your profile and start Private Messages?

    If you have sone questions or remarks, I will be glad to hear them. We could keep updating this thread: http://www.findinlao.com/f/threads/forum-rules-and-questions.348/

    As for your fridge, I am afraid I can do nothing. ;)
     
  4. Petrus47

    Petrus47 Moderator Staff Member

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    :) Congratulations Olivier, nice choice, this site looks very good to me.
     
  5. duconmogwai

    duconmogwai Member

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    thanks olivier for the effort
     
  6. Olivier

    Olivier Admin Staff Member

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    Thanks Petrus! Happy you like it! :)
     
  7. JK

    JK Jack of all trades, Master of none

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    First of I'd like to echo Duconmogwai's sentiments and say thanks to Olivier... this site has been very helpful in our time in Vientiane. Your efforts are much appreciated.

    Second, while you are entitled to your opinions Paul, you are beginning to sound like a broken record... Loads of things aren't perfect here... we get it... it is really buyer beware here for just about everything you do...
     
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  8. Paul.Vientiane

    Paul.Vientiane Member

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    OK, I am a bit Mmmmmm "peeved", the only thing that seems to be "exactly as it says on the tin" is Beer Lao which is heavenly. Everything else in Laos from the roads and the Lao people who try (and fail miserably) to keep the vehicle in a straight line, the one they bought before they learned how to drive it, or park it for that matter to the decrepit state of the infastructure such as the utilities, namely the constant power outages in a 21st century capital city. As I have said in previous posts, this country was a quiet, "away from it all" sanctuary back in 1998/1999 with bamboo shacks and restaurants perched all along the banks of the Mekong. There was no such thing as buliding regs and health and safety back then because it wasnt needed. Laos was Laos back then, an idyll - but some "person" decided that it would be an improvement if they bulldozed all the bamboo traditional houses/businesses and replaced them with concretia. What in all thats holy decrees that decision as an improvement?. Back in the UK (where I am originally from) the goverment is bulldozing the concretia as fast as it can because concrete is most definitely NOT the way of the future - sure its good for bridges and dams but architecturally its a tumour or carbunkle that any country just does not need for progression. back to "Find in Lao" OK I do apologise for criticizing the change to the site, "Find in Lao" is a good site unlike some of the others, I cant say which ones but I think the Beeb might be somehow connected to one of the "tree' sorry three. "duconmogwai" it sure as hell is !!!!!!!!!! most of the "sales" staff in Laos would be able to sell ice to the eskimo's and sand to the Bedouins under some sort of guise or ruse of one sort or another, probably "the new non melting igloo building and specially imported - just for you ice" or "the latest computer designed non drifting sand" specifically designed just for your oasis from oasis. Being serious for a moment (and you cant be in Laos) I really want to know what has improved here since 1998? What is better? - it isnt the roads - they are disintegrating faster than the ice caps, it isnt the standard of living, the poor are just as poor as they were when we first got involved in 1955. There are still no building or planning regs of any worthwhile note - health and safety does not exist - no law (that is upheld) regarding the diabolical standards of road safety and driving standards - two tier charging for locals and foreigners ( I came here of my own free will to do all I could and help Lao) I get quoted one price, my Lao wife gets quoted the cheaper one. I communicate with the Lao government, results take months - pay them a 100 bucks and it is done there and then. I have a similar (absolutely true) story about when we arrived at Wattay, I bought a cordless drill with me from the UK because I know you can only get cheap Chinese cr*p which burns out in a week here and the security at Wattay wanted to examine all 6 cases - my wife (Lao) took him on one side and she gave him $20 - he looked the other way and we walked through - thats what I mean about Lao - everyone is on the take now, whether its a tuk tuk charging 50,000 instead if 20,000 or a shop trying to get 15,000 Kip out of me for a 9,000 Kip bottle of beer??????????????? IT JUST WAS NOT LIKE THAT 13 YEARS AGO. Namphu was a field with a wooden semi circle of huts, the workers there were overjoyed that a foreigner had come to Lao - it was a delight just being there then even the mozzies seemed more discrete!!!!. In closing - Laos is the broken record ( or maybe just scratched a bit) but if they want it to be a laser optical disk then things need to be addressed - quick smart and I dont just mean repainting kerb stones and putting flags and pretty flowers out for a 2 day meeting either, flags blow away in the wind and flowers die.
     
  9. Olivier

    Olivier Admin Staff Member

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    Off topic. Topic closed.
    Paul, you can start a blog at http://www.blogger.com/ and talk about your experience in Laos or whatever pleased you. In this website, the next message where you show your general disdain to this country and inhabitants will be deleted without prior notice.
     
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  10. Petrus47

    Petrus47 Moderator Staff Member

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    Hi Olivier,

    Is'nt there a way in the forums to see an original post has been edited and changed.
    I try to explain what I mean: someone posts a message and people respond.
    Then the original message would be changed in a sense that answers already posted would look inapropriate.

    Thanks in advance for your answer,

    Pierre
     
  11. Olivier

    Olivier Admin Staff Member

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    Thanks for your remarks Pierre.
    I really think that members should have the possibility to edit their post and update their own writings if they want to but there is indeed the drawback that threads can become difficult to understand.

    So starting from now, members can only edit their own post for 60 minutes. To edit a post after 1 hour, please contact us.

    Since this afternoon, two members have already asked to edit their post. Don't have so much time for this and so members can edit their own post without time limits.
     
  12. Petrus47

    Petrus47 Moderator Staff Member

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    Hi Olivier,

    Is it not possible to modify settings in a way to see that the post has been changed?

    Best regards,

    Pierre
     
  13. Olivier

    Olivier Admin Staff Member

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    Pierre, following your suggestion:
    Edited posts now have a stamp mark that can be personalised upon Edition.
     

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  14. Petrus47

    Petrus47 Moderator Staff Member

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    I appreciate Olivier!!!

    Thanks a lot

    :)Pierre
     
  15. Olivier

    Olivier Admin Staff Member

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    In http://www.findinlao.com/f/threads/lawnmowers-in-laos.1085/, Paul.Vientiane wrote:
    Once again, inappropriate behaviour. I have to suspend Paul.Vientiane account for two weeks.
     
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  16. navydoubs1

    navydoubs1 Member

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    Olivier, i think most of the comments were "tongue in Cheek", a joke. Its not meant in anyway to offend.

    Please dont turn this site into another "Thai Visa".

    You have created an excellent site, and in time im sure you will reap the rewards from this. Please allow free speech without it, people will not stay.

    Dave
     
  17. Soyu

    Soyu Member

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    Hey Olivier,
    Great Work to suspend Paul.Vientiane
    People are looking to get some help and information not the fuc** speech,
    If a person is a teacher wouldn't be negative, rather use it in own work, I do the same thing,
    Cheer!
     
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  18. Olivier

    Olivier Admin Staff Member

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    FindinLao is not exactly a classifieds website like Craiglist or a 4chan forum. The purpose of this website is to allow everyone in Laos to share informations, sale, buy, exchange, meet… Everybody has to gain in a diverse and large community and if the site is today widely frequented by expat, we are working toward having more Lao people involved here.

    In this forum, we won't tolerate things like "people in country X drive like 8 y.o. kids". This is beyond the line, especially regarding the cultural norm here: in a general way, write only thing that you would be comfortable to say to a very large audience. If you experience corruption or want to report something sensitive, you can do it but you will have to be very factual and don't draw generalities. I haven't drawn the line very clearly and don't want to: no first amendment here, just common sense. In the end, I am accountable for what is written in this website. I am open to dialogue and will try to explain any moderation decision but, in the end, my time, energy and diplomacy skills are limited and I will be the last judge.

    You can always contact another member or a group of members and start a Personal Conversation: you are encourage to do this whenever this is personal. When you post is in a public forum, it should add something to the discussion.
    For example, trying to negociate a price (only you and the buyer are interested in) should be a Personal Conversation, asking if a price is negociable (that could interest other people) can be in the Public forum.
     
  19. navydoubs1

    navydoubs1 Member

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    Hi Olivier,

    Perhaps my earlier comments sounded a touch harsh. I hope not they were not meant to be.

    As you will see from the amount of time i spend on here, i find it informative and as a newbie in Laos, invaluable.

    I just hope you dont rule with an iron fist. A forum is best when it has that diverse range of posters. However on this occasion after reading through some of the comments you may well have been right.

    Perhaps a warning system is required. 3 strikes and your out!

    Anyway keep up the good work!
     
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  20. Petrus47

    Petrus47 Moderator Staff Member

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    Hi Olivier,

    I approve your decision, even if I think that Paul, in this case , is kind of scapegoat.
    As administrator of this site, you should, following me, stay above the comments of the participants.
    Your answer to Paul's post might have been seen as an encouragement to free speech, see: http://www.findinlao.com/f/threads/could-anyone-tell-me-the-traffic-rules-in-laos.970/

    This site is valuable for all of us, you're doing a great job, please keep it alive.

    ;) Pierre
     
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